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Do you breach the Meta-Gaming gap with your characters when having them interact?

 
Yes...
12% (2 votes)
Maybe...
12% (2 votes)
Depends on...
29% (5 votes)
No...
47% (8 votes)
Total votes: 17

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*Shrugs*

Don't really like the "Depends on..." option, considering it just seems like a way to avoid answering it straightly...

Anyway, mainly did this for no reason other then the fact that I had a way better idea for a poll before I got destracted and forgot about it v.v...

Also, like it says, do you break the 'No Meta' rule when it comes to your own characters interacting. E.g, they know each other (somehow), you have one of them 'bend' out of their character and accepts something another character is doing (like Tex not wanting any Nuke to go anywhere, but ended up giving Javier them anyway (example, not a rip or anything bad)), or anything like that.

Edit: That's what it was, (I think), do you bend your character outside of their usual limits and/or responces to open up more rp possiblities... *Shrugs* Oh well, might quickly change it...

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If you kept your character confined within how you initially wanted to play them, they'd become fairly boring, i feel, both to you and whomever you're interacting with. 'Bending' as you put it can have numerous reasons, not all of them IC probably, but still there are reasons for it. Keeping your character on the straight and narrow (whatever that may be for you) is  rather boring and makes for a two dimensional character. Personally, i view bending your characters 'rules' as either a change in outlook/personal growth, or as a test of faith in said traits (ie: how dearly does your character hold on to their views? are the fanatical about it? or can they be persuaded somewhat?)

Sometimes in order to get into RP that interests you, you gotta contort yourself into that narrow window of opportunity.


Edit: and i really doubt anyone is THAT hardcore of an RPer that they won't find some tangent or niche for them to be even minutely involved with another's RP, be it just simply going 'him go that-a-way' or 'it's dangerous to go alone, take this'. We are human after all... Right? >.>

I can scavenge trash... but this? This is rubbish! - Post Fall scavenger problems.

Yeah, regret this poll to the highest extent right now >.>

If it's in reply to the edit I made, that was meant to be for the vote idea I forgot, not the actual vote right here.

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I don't get the question...

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Arrck... Basically, do you bend the standard rule of not knowing people, when you have two of your own characters interact with one another. Like they know each other's names straight off the bat, what their weakness' are/aren't (if that far) or anything like that stuff.

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Ardenn's picture

Are you asking me if Character A on my account knows Character B like a Father even though no one has seen them interact with one another outside of stories posted on FERP? Or are you asking if I play with myself all the time?

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Yeah that...
The first one...

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Tex Stone's picture

(well since i was called out i feel the need to post.

 

I tried many times to unload the NUKE. I contacted Robert Angus from ISMC and they took a few ounces. But could never get any follow up RP to unload mass amounts of product.

 

I even sold some to an NPC in sin falls so that it would be public IC knowledge that Tex had the drug and was looking to sale it.

http://fallenearth.rp-haven.com/forum/tex-stone/serentity-falls-nuked

Claire adams and i also "spiked" some sodas with the drug to further let it be known we have the drug.

http://fallenearth.rp-haven.com/forum/tex-stone/trick

http://fallenearth.rp-haven.com/forum/claire-adams/treats

 

I also made another drug that no one has bougth and tex still has.

http://fallenearth.rp-haven.com/forum/tex-stone/crystal-visions

 

Also im not Dorado, incase you think i meta, or just poofed these high end drugs into the game.

http://fallenearth.rp-haven.com/blog/dorado/reward-posterposted-long-gar...

I found his wife and claimed the drugs as a reward.

 

 

 

So please kindly keep my name out of your post since you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

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(Slightly on topic)

Those don't show up on the front page, so I didn't even know these exist. 

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Tex Stone's picture

(yea Tex had the nuke for over a year, during that time i tried to unload it many times. Not hard to find if someone was so worried about it,  they could have easily tracked my posts before trying to call me out on a public forum.

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Ardenn's picture

I actually ran into just enough NUKE RP to know it existed, but I used to run with the ISMC a lot.

Seemed like there werent many people playing druggies though.

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Tex Stone's picture

(yea if i recall we tried to create some rp with the nuke and tetrax, but dorado, you and i all had no idea how they would interact with each other so the rp went poof.

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Oh I knew how they'd interact with each other, you tech geeks just refuse to let the reason be "It just does". XD

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Sarah Gunsmith's picture

If that worked Ardenn, my RP life would be so much simpler.

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Canni Belle's picture

If there is loose ends I need to tie up on MY rp and no one else is forthcoming .. hell yes I will use one of my other chars.. like Tex did. 

Metagaming would be to use toon A to provide the location of an enemies house to toon B to justify having information you shouldnt. 

I have to say this was a very petty thing to post IMO

I didnt vote btw since I saw this was totally aimed at an individual

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Sarah Gunsmith's picture

Do I have characters that are related to eachother, know eachother? No, but thats mainly because I play a woman without a familly.

That said alot of my characters have met eachother in stories outside of the game because I can't play two characters ingame at once as much as I'd enjoy that confusion. Those characters will talk and share information if its in their characterization to share it. As far as I'm concerned it's not metagaming, it's simply a case that I can't show you the interaction outside of a story on FERP. It's up to me to be a sensible writer about what these two characters talk about, and ultimately remember that my audience is the RP community, and not my own wish fullfilment.

Now on another subject, I don't know Tex, but I do know Javi and can tell you that your crossed out example is not factual at all. Fair enough that you want to make a poll and give an example of a situation, but please at least make sure you're certain if its true before you post it. Alot of folks help cooperate with folks like the Bonitos on a regular basis, creating alts to help participate in RP and further RP plots and such, most of which normaly is kept under the radar so as not to spoil the fun. None of which I would even remotely consider metagaming considering they're trying to further RP for other folks, not just themselves.

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I think part of the issue is the amount of time it takes for information to travel from one character to another. The questions I posed to Straight earlier in the thread reflect things I've actually done; I rolled up Ardenn's dad. The origional intent was to prevent anyone else from picking up the name later and trying to RP an iconic story character in my background history against my concent. Later I ended up actually RPing him a bit around Flagstaff. People talked about Ardenn, but Daddy Dearest didnt go and hunt him down and make him obey or anything. The two characters typically avoid one another. When information is traded from one character to another, I usually get another player invovled to hold on to some tidbit to delvier to the other character.

A lot of people opt to do this through storywriting on FERP. Thats cool. It gives people somethign to chew on and see some evidence the info was passed from one person to another.

I beleive the real issue crops up when we have examples of someones character dying in a fight, just to instantly log into an alternate character and run in screaming "Who killed my brother?!"

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Sarah Gunsmith's picture

Yes, telepathicly learning of a loved one's death would be at the least what I'd call "bad writing." :P

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Tex Stone's picture

(i agree, what bugged me about this is yes i sold NUKE to an alts clan, but Claudia was the BB contact not Javier. Its not like we poofed the drugs into BB's possession. The deal was worked between Tex and Claudia.

 

And the whole goal for NUKE was to create drug dealing RP. Just rubbed me the wrong way for someone that had no idea of the history or details tried to say i was holding onto NUKE.

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Ardenn's picture

Iv'e beend ebatign for a while trying to figure out hwo to kind of generate a process fo revryone to catagorize their storylines so people later can look them up.

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Khal Vorgus's picture

While I don't have the slightest clue about the plot slight, or perceived plot slight, or bad example, or whatever, this poll is still about meta-gaming. And for meta-gaming, I happen to have an opinion! :)

Ardenn mentioned a couple of posts up that the real problem is when a character logs off, an alt logs on (whatever the case) and immediately, split second later, the alt knows everything there is to know that took place a while ago. <- This is metagaming.

On the other hand, IF your background story for your characters has a believable reason for them to share information, then a little trip to the mail box, writing a (fake, real, whatever) mail to your alt then logging in your alt and "checking" your mails to learn the information is perfectly valid in my book. Or, asking someone to relay a message to your alt. That's not meta-gaming, that's roleplaying two different people that have valid IC reason to know each other.

That being said, I sort of ignored all plot-related replies (since I don't know shit about them) and posted on the OP's question. No, I do not meta-game (when I play).

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Ardenn's picture

Mentioning Mail makes me thank of something else that could be considered borderline meta, but I've never had an outside opinion on, so let me pose this;

Character X had a meeting with Character Y. Character Y had been in the company of character Z when X showed up.

Character X wants Character Z to leave. Character Y convices X to let Z stay. A meeting ensues, using code names for Characters A and Characters B, both Targets for some Conflict RP.

Character Z's Player knows character A's Player. Character Z does not know Character A beyond a codename.

Character Z uses the Mail service to tip off character A by name. X and Y get busted in the act as a result.

What do you think?

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Nisha Samara's picture

My brain hurts >.<

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Passed to Picus Ridge Pseudoscience Department:

X+Y: Y|Z<-X
X: SUM(A..Z)-> -Z
Y(X): SUM(A..Z)-> +Z
MEET(A,B)->RP
P(Z)|P(A) : Z|A where (A=X) UNDEFINED
MAIL(Z): A=X
(X,Y)=CONFLICT ERROR

It look like they agree. Is Ardenn a secret Tech?

Allriae's picture

pseudo-Fortran? :O

Khal Vorgus's picture

Uhhhh... Becauze XYZor kind of threw me off balance, let me see if I got this straight:

Character X (Let's say Tom) conspires with Character Y (Let's say Dick) in front of Character Z (Let's say Harry) and they're planning how to hit Bob and Gary. (A and B respectively)

Now, you're saying Harry's Player knows Bob's player but Harry doesn't know who Tom and Dick are talking about, due to codenames (e.g. Mr. Orange). Then, all of a sudden, Harry sends a mail to Bob saying Tom and Dick are "there and there" and planning to kill you?

If such is the case, that's meta in my book. Unless Harry has a way to determine that Mister Orange is Bob, there is no reason for Harry to warn Bob. At least, no reason I can think of, barring mind reading and such and always, in my opinion.

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Ardenn's picture

Yeah I probably should've used names instead of letters, lol.

The example is something I've seen happen a fair amount though, and its hard to determine just what to say to people when you know the information they're acting on was earned through Meta means. The situation given was one stripped of names that happened to me about a year ago, and I've seen it repeated a couple times to other people. I havnt really found a good way to deal with it.

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(( Ive had this interaction but kept it breif.  However NEVER disclosed information that was learned between the two chars.   Suggest the same...

 

IE: "Yeah I ran into that guy he just wished to speak with you"  or something like " #(&*$ that idiot. I tried to kill him when he talked to me"

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(My characters typically avoid each other since I know I'm not mentally capable of avoiding metagaming 100%. Any actions taken by one of my characters has to be learned by another by word of mouth of someone not me. And even then I don't usually persue any course of action.)

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henerkin's picture

 

If you meant this within our own characters.


All my characters know eachothers and work together (or most of em), all of them, always, in every game. I don't see nothing wrong with that. Even then, they dont alwas know what they others are up to nor do they tell eachother everything but they might. IE: If Mogy hears something about X char ploting againt Hen, he will tell him, he's his best friend and business partner. On the other hand, Ratchet hears the same thing, he will just Ignore it thinking he has no business getting involved  and Hen can hold his own(in Ratchet's eyes). And Duke, who despises Hen would not only not tell him but try to help the conspirators.

I often use them together in a stories too, they just don't do it all at the same time in game for obvious mechanic reasonsons (Most games forbid multiboxing and its a nightmare to RP, besides, RPing with myself all the time would probably turn me into a Schizo)

 

If you meant this with other people's characters.

Now if I withness someone plotting againt another character I know IC, my character might tell that character if he care enough for them, which is most likely not gonna happen these days cuase Henerkin's care went out the window with his retirement. However, if the same situation happens to the character of someone I know OOC but not IC, well, too bad but I ain't telling even to a true OOC friend, that would ruin the ongoing plot for everyone else.

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I have a similar situation to Hen. Ardenn is one of six characters in a "Family" of characters I play. RP across multiple communities has torn them apart and caused them to hate one another so they typically avoid interacting with one another, but they do know of each others existance. (For example, Set knows Ard exists, but really doesnt give a shit about his business. Seran knows them both but not when and where they are all the time and would rather they didnt know he was a clone at the moment.)

However, over the years I've run into more communities (typically a lot larger than this one) that would actually SHAME someone for playing their own family member/best friend/evil mastermind. I also admit that when I first came to FE, I absolutely attacked anyone whom I found out I was interacting with regarding multiple characters in one plot line. (I promised I wouldnt reveal all the characters but at one point one of the people in an old story line was playing 4 diffrent characters and using me as a messanger between all of them. I was actually really upset when I found out it was all the same person and not getting to know a bigger, cool group of people.)

I think its a problem of being able to tell whose an NPC thats just there to further the plot, an alt thats just going to be deleted in the next week, or if its a permenant character I shoudl actually try and get to know and look for growth with.

The other issue I see rasing its head over and over are people getting paranoid about someone they dont like making a new character to interact with them and essentially "troll" that person with information gained through other characters. Most of us dont do that but there have been a couple people in the community over the years that did this and really fucked with people (Such as Destin creating 13 alts to verbally harass Hack Scudder. I'm naming names on this one because the GM's perma-banned Destin for doing it.)

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Takes a lot more than a few people behind pixel characters to shame me ;P But I see where you're going.

Usually I use one character or two in a plot and make it clear they are my alts but have diffrent fuctions or ways of dealing with things. In SWTOR, Henerkin is the Captain of a Pirate ship, the others are the crew, so when a plot is going on, He sends whover fits the most with the kind of job there is to do. So far it worked nicely. In FE it was almost the same but more centered around common goals or business between them rather than being a crew.

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Thanks for all the details btw, Hen. This may or may not have been what Strait was getting at, but maybe this conversation will clear up some of the issues people have been having as of late, and maybe help people avoid complications in the future.

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Actually, all in all, this conversation was pretty much what I was trying to get at...

Just stupid complications and idiotic mis-types, buried what I was trying to get through.

Thanks Henerkin and Ardenn, for having this discussion, and for managing to clear it up better then I ever could.

Now to take my leave, permantly, so I can fix myself on a few other games and cocking the lore so I can actually fullfil my original goals (back during the research-phase during the original Icarus' P2P).

NOTE: I haven't fully read all the comments, so apologies and thanks to anyone else who had this kind(s) of point(s).

NOTE 2: Doubtful that I'll read all of them anyway...

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